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发表于 2007-3-26 23:07:41 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
There is a perfect article wrote by a famous historian. He compares Mongol Empire and USA on the issue of Iraq .

         Genghis Khan: Law and order

How would four of the greatest war leaders in history have handled Iraq ?
By Jack Weatherford, JACK WEATHERFORD teaches anthropology at Macalester College . He is the author of "Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World."
December 29, 2006

IN HIS FINAL televised speech to the Iraqi people in 2003, Saddam Hussein denounced the invading Americans as "the Mongols of this age," a reference to the last time infidels had conquered his country, in 1258. But the comparison isn't very apt ?unlike the Mongols, the Americans don't have the organizational genius of Genghis Khan.

In the 13th century, Temujin ?better known by his title, Genghis Khan ("world leader") ?headed a tribal nation smaller than the workforce of Wal-Mart, yet he conquered and ruled more people than anyone in history. After Genghis Khan's death, his grandson, Hulegu, further expanded the empire, easily conquering most of the Middle East and achieving the Mongols' aim: the establishment of a trade corridor from Korea on the Pacific to Syria on the Mediterranean , one part of their goal of controlling the world.

So that every warrior knew his place within the struggle, Genghis Khan began each campaign with meetings to communicate to his approximately 100,000 soldiers where and why they would fight. The legal justification for the Mongol invasion of Iraq derived from the reluctance of the caliph of Baghdad to control the Shiite Cult of the Assassins, whom the Mongols accused of attempting to kill their khan.

The assassins operated from a series of fortified mountain camps spread from contemporary Afghanistan to Iraq , and the Baghdad invasion did not begin until the Mongols had eradicated the threat from the assassins and destroyed their fortresses. For the final attack on the caliph, the Mongols assembled a coalition of nations, and as their main army invaded Iraq in two columns from the east and the south, their allies approached from the north and west.

Genghis Khan recognized that victory came by conquering people, not land or cities. In contrast to the Americans in 2003, who sought to take the largest cities first in a campaign of shock and awe, the Mongols in 1258 took the smallest settlements first, gradually working toward the capital. Both the Mongols and the Americans used heavy bombardment to topple Baghdad , but whereas the Americans rushed into the capital in a triumphant victory celebration, the Mongols wisely decided not to enter the defeated ?but still dangerous ?city. They ordered the residents to evacuate, and then they sent in Christian and Muslim allies, who seethed with a variety of resentments against the caliph, to expunge any pockets of resistance and secure the capital. The Americans ended up as occupiers; the Mongols pulled strings, watching from camps in the countryside.

The Mongols also immediately executed the caliph and his sons on charges that they spent too much money on their palaces and not enough defending their nation. They killed most members of the court and administration. The Mongols took no prisoners and allowed no torture, but they executed swiftly and efficiently, including the soldiers of the defeated army who, they believed, would be a constant source of future problems if allowed to live. The first several months of a Mongol invasion were bloody, but once the takeover ended, the bloodshed ended.

By contrast, the American military campaign was quick, with comparatively few Iraqi (or coalition) casualties, but the bloodshed has continued for years. Constrained from decisively dispatching enemies of a new Iraq , the United States has allowed Iraqi terrorists to select who lives and who dies, including women and children, in a slow-motion massacre.

And while the violence continues, the U.S. can't come close to establishing a government that rivals what the Mongols achieved. They exercised a genius for speaking to people in terms that they understood. When conquering Muslims, Genghis Khan always announced that Allah willed the Mongol victory as divine punishment; to resist the Mongols was to defy the will of God.

Just as the Mongols perfected the list of who to kill in a conquered land, they knew whom to reward and how to do it. In Baghdad , Hulegu installed a government under Ata Malik Juvaini, a devout Persian Muslim, who governed for most of the next 20 years and whose writings survive as some of the great scholarly works of the Muslim world.

The Mongols spared anyone with a craft, such as carpentry, writing, pottery, weaving or metal working. They fiercely enforced religious freedom, which created an essentially secular state. In Baghdad , they gave many of the caliph's palaces to Mongol allies for more practical uses. They lowered taxes for merchants and eliminated them for religious, medical and educational professionals. They educated women along with men. For all subjects, they instituted harsh laws enforced equally under nearly incorruptible officials.

Fundamentalist Muslims look back at Mongol secularism as a scourge. But, although U.S. rule in Iraq has produced a constant flow of refugees, particularly religious minorities, out of the country, under Mongol rule Christian, Muslim, Jewish and even Buddhist immigrants poured into the newly conquered Iraq to live under the Great Law of Genghis Khan. It was said that during this time a virgin could cross the length of the Mongol Empire with a pot of gold on her head and never be molested.

By the time of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq , the political achievements of the Mongols had been forgotten, and only the destructive fury of their wars was remembered. Yet under the Mongols ?and the legacy of Genghis Khan ? Iraq enjoyed a century of peace and a renaissance that brought the region to a level of prosperity and cultural sophistication higher than it enjoyed before or after. Any country with a bent for empire could do worse than learn from Genghis Khan.
发表于 2007-3-26 23:38:47 | 显示全部楼层
懒得看。

说实在的这个论坛并不懒得看这个的极少极少,所以我建议你最好自己把要点挑出来用汉语说一下,当然了,我是说,如果你发这贴的本意是想找人讨论个问题的话。
发表于 2007-3-27 11:06:02 | 显示全部楼层
有翻译机吗,偶没学过英语!
 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-27 22:43:39 | 显示全部楼层
文章的作者是美国著名历史,人种和考古学家。
     文章大意是把美国和蒙古征服伊拉克作了一个对比,并且试图改变西方人对当年纵横天下蒙古大军的看法。题目“成吉思汗的法典和制度。
      原文摘要
       萨达姆在最后的电视发布会称美国是当年的蒙古侵略者,是异教徒。但是美军的军事打击和蒙古的根本没有相比之处,美军根本没有成吉思汗的军事天才。
       13世纪,铁木真率领一支人数不过是沃尔马员工人数(十万人)的大军创建了一个大陆版块最大的帝国。西方人普遍认为蒙古大军是残暴,魔鬼的化身。但是事实并非如此。
       成吉思汗的子孙在他之后把帝国扩大了一倍,他的孙子Hulegu征服了中东,和中亚,达到当初要打通一条从太平洋的高丽至地中海叙利亚的商业通道的目标。(只是蒙古征服世界计划的一个环节)
       蒙古攻打巴格达时是先把巴周边城镇全都征服(以防大战后的暴动),然后再攻巴格达城。蒙古军充分利用什叶,逊尼两派的争斗,基本消除了伊拉克的反蒙情绪。而美军则不同,他们以急快的速度占领巴市,但日后全伊的反美暴乱使美军陷入泥潭。
       攻占巴后,蒙军立刻处死里面的国王和其儿子,和所有的守军(在战后可能造成麻烦),虽然战时及其血腥,但战后在蒙古统治者的管理下,巴格达马上恢复了生机,在100年内,犹太人,天主教徒,佛教徒在这里生活,作生意。蒙古统治者强令任何宗教压迫都是不能允许的。这在伊拉克历史上是绝无仅有的。在蒙古的统治下,伊拉克成为当时世界最繁华的城市之一。



原帖由 harahu 于 2007-3-27 11:06 发表
有翻译机吗,偶没学过英语!
发表于 2007-3-28 00:07:44 | 显示全部楼层
美国人也够笨的
为什么不给蒙古国几百亿美员
让我们来政府伊拉克呢?
发表于 2007-3-28 11:52:02 | 显示全部楼层
世界秩序今非昔比,800年前虐待俘虏没人找你麻烦。
发表于 2007-3-28 12:24:55 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 MAYA 于 2007-3-28 11:52 发表
世界秩序今非昔比,800年前虐待俘虏没人找你麻烦。



呵呵!不是没人找是没人敢!
发表于 2007-3-28 16:57:11 | 显示全部楼层
Jack Weatherford
他的书我从UB买了本,花了3800。后来到了呼和浩特,发现到处都是,好像是20元。



感觉这类文章如果是汉文写的,贴出来的人应该是小傲。英文贴这个的,也就是楼主了。
发表于 2007-3-28 17:37:55 | 显示全部楼层
同意楼上的,我越发的感觉到 啸傲 可能在玩变脸
 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-28 19:25:50 | 显示全部楼层
将军此言精辟!蒙古能多出几个像你这样的不愁不能重振雄风!!!!!!!
     

原帖由 huhmoren 于 2007-3-28 12:24 发表



呵呵!不是没人找是没人敢!
 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-30 22:46:40 | 显示全部楼层

补充

美军在攻占巴士拉,巴格达,等重要城市后,战斗并没有从此停止。漫长的屠杀由此开始,美军伤亡不断上升。蒙古军队在开始就把一切的反抗组织全部杀光,所以战后大规模的抵抗没有发生。
  在当时蒙古帝国的版图里,一个身带手饰的少女横穿欧亚不会被抢劫!
发表于 2007-3-31 00:11:14 | 显示全部楼层
在北京平安大街的路东或路北吧(也许是路南或路北,不知道,我在北京没有方向感)几年前开过一个蒙古酒吧叫杭盖。在酒吧开业的当晚我带着一个汉族朋友过去了。用蒙古毡装饰的墙面上有很多蒙古族特色装饰品,这里面有一张是成吉思汗画像,在画像下面用蒙文写了一段文字,内容就是以上这段――在当时蒙古帝国的版图里,一个身带手饰的少女横穿欧亚不会被抢劫。
我记得在那个晚上,在众人嘈杂的酒吧里,我就那样站在那张画像前面用汉语把这段文字翻译给了我那位汉族朋友。当时的那种不可言状的心情,只到现在还是依然清晰明亮……
 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-31 06:20:11 | 显示全部楼层

疏于法制

原帖由 Nomongerel 于 2007-3-31 00:11 发表
在北京平安大街的路东或路北吧(也许是路南或路北,不知道,我在北京没有方向感)几年前开过一个蒙古酒吧叫杭盖。在酒吧开业的当晚我带着一个汉族朋友过去了。用蒙古毡装饰的墙面上有很多蒙古族特色装饰品,这里面 ...

      在我们太祖在世时,法制是很严格的。但到了元朝顺帝时期,腐败严重,百姓对政府怨声载道。事实上老百姓不怕穷,但恨不公。
      明太祖朱元章曾说元顺帝是个好皇帝,但元末疏于法制,才使我和陈友谅等人有了机会。所以朱元章在建朝之初就严法制国,尤其是对领导层的高压政策。百姓拥护朱元章。
发表于 2007-4-1 14:12:48 | 显示全部楼层
看完了。很高兴还有人这么抬举我们。不过很多人只知道蒙古人的野蛮,不知道他们的智慧。只知道诋毁,不知道研究。历史都是重写的,打扮好了的待嫁姑娘,我看了太多的历史,可惜没有一种说法是重复的。
发表于 2007-4-2 08:34:24 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 帖木儿 于 2007-3-31 06:20 发表

      在我们太祖在世时,法制是很严格的。但到了元朝顺帝时期,腐败严重,百姓对政府怨声载道。事实上老百姓不怕穷,但恨不公。
      明太祖朱元章曾说元顺帝是个好皇帝,但元末疏于法制,才使我和陈友谅等人 ...


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"朱元章"说什么就是什么了?
 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-2 11:19:41 | 显示全部楼层
此人虽是蒙古不共戴天的死敌,但他的话还是有份量的。你不要太情绪化。
  朱元璋和他的儿子们也是骁勇善战的勇士,是勇士我就佩服,即使是死敌也一样。
  没办法,本来都是性格相仿的勇士,本来可以成为好兄弟,但是只能各为其主了。
原帖由 narisu 于 2007-4-2 08:34 发表


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"朱元章"说什么就是什么了?
发表于 2007-4-2 11:34:44 | 显示全部楼层
hehe ,guilagchin l tedii shid.....
发表于 2007-4-7 19:08:21 | 显示全部楼层
帖木儿 :

"诚然,已经淡忘了母语的我们,只能用这样的方式来表述,自己对民族,文化,家园,传统,乃至自身逐渐清晰起来的感悟…… "
发表于 2007-4-8 13:47:36 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,淡忘和忘记不是一个概念。
发表于 2007-4-8 15:56:55 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 帖木儿 于 2007-4-2 11:19 发表
此人虽是蒙古不共戴天的死敌,但他的话还是有份量的。你不要太情绪化。
  朱元璋和他的儿子们也是骁勇善战的勇士,是勇士我就佩服,即使是死敌也一样。
  没办法,本来都是性格相仿的勇士,本来可以成为好兄弟, ...


汉人的历史学家 一般都添油加醋  意淫的   就象 金 庸 之类的人  所以不是很相信他们的所说的历史

建议你学 蒙古文 然后再去看 历史书
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